Turns out it's bitdefender removing robotmanager, I whitelisted the folder and everything but it wont re-add the file and trying to copy it from the preinstalled file says I have no permission even though this is the only user/admin on the computer.
Following all the instructions for issues, reinstalled things, etc etc, made exceptions for wrobot, even went to restarting my pc
No matter what I do, wrobot.exe will not even open.
update.exe works fine and installs everything, I had an old version and it opened fine but when I updated everything stopped working.