Tricks of the Trade

[Womble 9]

Is there a way to use Tricks at all? There's nothing Subtlety specific to it, just standard tricks of the trade on a focus target or a written target. Thought there'd be a condition for it but I can't seem to find anything.

[Networkz 58]

If you want to use Tricks of the Trade you will have to make a fight Class Profile That uses tricks of trade as a buff, try making a Flight Class, Test it out, See if it works, Add that Spell to a currently Produced Rogue Profile = ) Just have to put it in the right rotation But buffs are quite simple, Im not sure if you can create a timer for it / When to cast it.. Your Gunna make sure you use it once your Teammate has his Said Cd's and His Burn Ready.

[Womble 9]

Hey.

 

Got a profile just not sure how to have it cast tricks as a buff to an assigned target. :(

[Networkz 58]

I will try and make just a profile to buff tricks and ill let you know :) trying to make a PvP profile ?

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[Bugreporter 92]

The problem is not Tricks of the Trades. The problem is to find the right target. Do you want TotT of the tank ? Or on another rogue? (without Glyphe TotT) and than maybe mutualy?

 

And if there are more tanks in the raid: Which tank should get TotT? The Boss-tank or the Adds-tank? And if they both tank the boss (spotting), how do the script select the right tank ?

 

Or just on a Healer ? *fg*

[Womble 9]

Have it on 'focus' target, so you can set that yourself since most people will or should know the right target dependant on fight etc.

 

That would be great.

[Bugreporter 92]

Focus target work, if you use your macro and if you have selected the focus before, but the challange is to select the TotT-target by script.

 

A solution could be (simple to code)

 

if not pvp then

  if target == worldboss (all bosses with skulls are worldbosses) then

    if targettarget != me then

      cast TotT on targettarget.

    end

  else

    if targettarget == tank then

     cast TotT on targettarget

   end

  end

else

  find a member that is not a healer:  

  cast TotD on member

end

 

This should work and will give the Tank the aggro in the most cases. in PvP you will get the first nonHealer.

 

But... is TotT against Tanks really useful at the moment ? They didn't have a aggro problem and rogue are also most aggro-free (a vanish would help, if not). And 15% more damage for a single person in a 25 raid for 6 sec every 30 sec are less then 0,12 % for the raid.

 

15/(30/6) = 3% for a single person

3 / 25 ... 0,12% for the raid.

 

and this only, if we dont have the TotT Glyphe.

 

bzw. is TotT stackable? Means, if a tank has already TotT from another rogue is our TotT helpful ?

 

And at last: Did someone ever heared that a tank said :" Where is my TotT ?"

[Womble 9]

No TotT isn't stackable sadly.

 

There's no need to tricks tanks anymore given all the threat boosts and so on. Needing tricks as a tank now really comes down to the tank not playing properly and seems impossible to loose threat outside of the pull as well nowadays.

 

Best target for tricks is a DPS, more specifically a rogue because they benefit the most since tricks doesn't stack with most DPS abilities of other classes, i.e. Recklessness etc.

 

I'll try that code now only changing 'targettarget' to 'focus' and see if it works in LFR.

 

But the code you listed could be useful to have as a second macro for tanks.

[Womble 9]

Tried luascript condition on the ability 'Tricks of the Trade': -

 

if target == worldboss then
  if focus != me then
    cast Tricks of the Trade on focus.
  end
else
  if focus == tank then
   cast Tricks of the Trade on focus
 end
end

I set return value research to '1' and return value var to 'ret'.

 

Doesn't seem to work.

 

Would a focus only version not be something along the lines of

 

if target == worldboss then
  cast Tricks of the Trade on focus.
  end
end

[Bugreporter 92]

Sorry, i didnt post a lua-script, it was only an example/idea. I make the real code. and will post it, if it is ready.

[Womble 9]

Thought something was wrong haha.

 

Okay. I understand the end, ifs, else parts of the code no problem just not the actual way the code is wrote.

[Bugreporter 92]

This is the PvE code (without PvP) . untestet. just a proof of concept. Tank will be the target

if UnitExists("target") and not UnitIsFriend("player", "target") then 
	local idTotT=57934
	local spellname=GetSpellInfo(idTotT)
	if (UnitClassification("target")=="worldboss")) then
		if not (UnitIsUnit("targettarget","player")) then
			if (IsSpellInRange(spellname, "targettarget")==1)then
				TargetUnit("targettarget")
				CastSpellByName(spellname)
				TargetUnit("playertarget")
			end
		end
	else
		if (UnitGroupRolesAssigned("targettarget")=="TANK") then
			if (IsSpellInRange(spellname, "targettarget")==1)then
				TargetUnit("targettarget")
				CastSpellByName(spellname)
				TargetUnit("playertarget")
			end
		end
	end
end

[Womble 9]

Excellent, I will test that later when I have access to the game.

 

What would be a tricks to 'focus' target version? Since this is the one I'll probably use.

[Bugreporter 92]

And here is a very simple solution that use the focus target as target. If you dont use a english WoW  Version you have to change "Tricks of the Trades" into your language spell

    <FightClassSpell>
      <SpellName>RunMacroText("/cast [combat][@focus] Tricks of the Trades")</SpellName>
      <FightClassConditions />
      <Priority>1</Priority>
      <CheckIfKnowUsableDistance>false</CheckIfKnowUsableDistance>
      <CheckIfView>false</CheckIfView>
      <Timer>30000</Timer>
      <NotSpellIsLuaScript>true</NotSpellIsLuaScript>
      <DescriptionSpell>Simplest solution. You need someone in Focus</DescriptionSpell>
    </FightClassSpell>

[Womble 9]

Super.

 

Could I also add an 'lua script' to that simple focus solution? I was thinking soemthing like this based on your tank one: -

local idTotT=57934
local spellname=GetSpellInfo(idTotT)
	if (IsSpellInRange(spellname, "focus")==1)then
	CastSpellByName(spellname)
	end
end

Basically I just want a range check on it. Is that correct or am I missing something?

[Bugreporter 92]

Super.

 

Could I also add an 'lua script' to that simple focus solution? I was thinking soemthing like this based on your tank one: -

local idTotT=57934
local spellname=GetSpellInfo(idTotT)
	if (IsSpellInRange(spellname, "focus")==1)then
	CastSpellByName(spellname)
	end
end

Basically I just want a range check on it. Is that correct or am I missing something?

 

CastSpellByName work only on a target, so you have to switch the target bevor and after the spell (see my code above). And you should check if your focus target is friendly :-) and if you are in combat. Casting while runing only through the ini whouldnt be help. Best time to cast is after the start of a combat and the focus has a target. (because without a target he dont make DPS.)

[Womble 9]

local idTotT=57934
local spellname=GetSpellInfo(idTotT)
	if (IsSpellInRange(spellname, "focus")==1)then
	TargetUnit("player")
	CastSpellByName(spellname)
	TargetUnit("focus")
	end
end
				

Something like this?

[Bugreporter 92]

More like this. 

 

1. Did I have a focus and is it friendly

2. have my focus a target and have this target less health then max (combat has started)

2a. (added) and the target of my focus isn't friendly

3. is my focus in range

4. target focus, cast spell, target my target again.

if UnitExists("focus") and UnitIsFriend("player", "focus") then 
	local idTotT=57934
	local spellname=GetSpellInfo(idTotT)
	if (UnitExists("focustarget") and not UnitIsFriend("focus", "focustarget") and (UnitHealth("focustarget") ~= UnitHealthMax("focustarget")) and (UnitHealth("focustarget")>0) ) then
		if (IsSpellInRange(spellname, "focus")==1)then
			TargetUnit("focus")
			CastSpellByName(spellname)
			TargetUnit("playertarget")
		end
	end
end

[Womble 9]

Tested the above. Tricks 'works' but I drop my target. It will target the focus unit, cast tricks and then not take any target unless I manually click/tab to the boss again.

[Networkz 58]

Your going to have to make the buff go back to target on end of tricks cast. Hopefully bugs can give you a hand I don't know much about the coding yet haha.

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[Bugreporter 92]

try TargetLastTarget() instead of TargetUnit("playertarget")

[Womble 9]

Will do next chance I get.