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What an analogy. I'm not sure what the point of it was, but it only states that you're either viewing customers as children, or that you're some kind of benevolent Santa Claus. You are selling stuff here. Trying to make a profit. Don't fool yourself. This is really strange. I feel like there is some sort of elitism in this community. You're either pat of the godlike creators who can do no wrong, or you're part of the filthy peasants who understand nothing and should remain silent. You have a few people here complaining about the quality of paid stuff and you just call them "entitled millennials"? Come on. If creators here were as philanthropic as some of you pretend they are, they would be teaming up and create free quality FC/profiles for the community. It might sound crazy, but I think the solution lies there. So, if you're a developer, or a tester and you're interested in participating, join my discord and let's actually move forward.

This is where we will agree to disagree.

Maybe I didn't express myself clearly when I said people are in the dark. I'm talking about casual users. Those who don't know programming and who just want to level a few characters. You seem to be saying that anyone who uses wRobot needs to be an advanced programmer. How is wRobot advertised as such? It even says on the front page "Easy to use", "...for even the most novice user...". So he downloaded wRobot and later realized that he's been "tricked". This is what enrages people. It doesn't matter if the OP is a code genius or an HTML beginner. Although I disagree with a lot of what he said and he was clearly in over his head, he talked about his experience as a new user and the problems he faced and everyone should hear it. I faced the exact same problems: lack of free decent third party stuff. Actually, Profiles and Fight classes shouldn't even be called "third party" since they're so core to wRobot. This is the real subject: the shady practices behind wRobot and the reasons behind them. When people put money into FCs and profiles that suck, they feel robbed, they rage, they leave and never come back. That creates a thinner user base, a recalcitrant community... and less customers for you!

A lot of people are in the dark when it comes to wRobot and its current state. Bringing its issues to light can help some people realize that they're not necessarily using the bot wrong, and it can help them voice their concerns too. What do you propose? Silence discontent people? You don't like the thread? Fine. But you realize you can choose to just ignore it, instead of actively ridiculing it, right? Believe it or not, I am interested in hearing people's opinions. All of them.

I don't think it's bad at all bad if you can set it properly. That's why I said "valid" hostile mob. That means ignoring low levels, critters, passives, ignore when mounted etc... only mobs that WILL engage you if you step forward another 3 yards, if you prefer. I saw that and gave it a shot. It was funny to notice you've encountered the same problems I did. Then I thought... shit, if even Matenia couldn't make it, I'm toast ?

Another solution would be to simply engage any "valid" hostile mob that comes into aggro range, instead of running into them. That's exactly what I'm trying to do with Z.E.Radar. Unfortunately, the core of wRobot makes it way harder to achieve than it seems.

I disagree. Nothing indicates that the bot tried to engage combat with the elemental. It just went straight for the bird. The elemental is ignored either because it's blacklisted or not in the profile. This is most likely the profile's fault and it's incredibly common.

The first video is perfectly showcasing the biggest issue I have with wRobot paid profiles: the missing mob IDs. Because the "Attack before being attacked" option doesn't work properly, it makes those profiles a nightmare. Imagine you make a grinding path with mobs along the way, and you add them all to the profile. The bot runs around and kills everything around, one by one. All good. Then a user contacts you and say "I'm playing a warrior and those scorpids which disarm you on the path are too hard to kill, fix it". What do you do? Well, one of the big vendor here just removes the mob ID from the profile. Then what happens? Sure you don't engage those mobs anymore, now, instead, you just run straight into their face while pulling other mobs. And when I reported the issue, the vendor told me he wouldn't fix it, because "it's much better like that" and "his profiles has leveled HUNDREDS (yeah, right) of characters without problem", basically putting the blame on me. And that's not even mentioning the enemy packs, the failure to take a zep, to go to Outlands etc... How is that even tolerated?

Agreed. The profile ratings are very unreliable. I expected high quality/support from a 5 star vendor, and got none of that. I couldn't believe the amount of praise the seller had, considering my mediocre experience. Not sure what's happening there. What also bothered my when I started using wRobot is that there is no basic Fight Classes to start off with. Which is something I didn't know beforehand. Glider used to come packed up with a basic fight class for every single class. They were not advanced, obviously, but they did the job. I'm botting on TBC and I couldn't find a single frost mage class that was not paid. I ended up creating my own, but... I shouldn't have to do that. To be honest, I thought I was the only one who had complaints here, although I kept it private, but reading through this thread and other, I realize that there is a problem with the community. As @Marsbar said, "If there was more competition the requirement for quality profiles would be higher." which is very accurate. So I'm hoping we can somehow turn the tide and create actual competition in the future. Again, I believe pay-what-you-want/donations would move wRobot forward with much higher quality, but that requires we move on from the greedy state of mind of creators and rely on cooperation, instead of competition.

I'm all in favor of the community putting effort into bettering wRobot. An in-depth documentation would be awesome. But re-writing the API? That wouldn't be a good idea. And that comes from a perspective of a new creator that has pretty much nothing to remake. Also the crowdfunding part is unrealistic. I can tell you right off the bat that you'll never gather enough money to fund competent devs into working on such a complex and time-consuming project. I believe it's Gandhi who said "Be the change you want to see in the world". If you want something done. Do it yourself, and hopefully inspire people to join you.

I don't know man, my experience has been a bit different from that. I've had glaring issues with a big grinding profile. I've reported bugs (things that I KNOW can be fixed) to a dedicated channel and I was just met with disbelief. It was a bit disheartening to realize that nothing would be fixed. Reporting bugs is part of my real job, and I know much too well that if you can't put your ego aside when a report comes in, you're in for a bad time. I understand the frustration for big vendors. Maintaining all those profiles sounds like a nightmare, and a lot of users probably don't know what they're doing, but it seems, sometimes, vendors are quick to put the blame on the buyers, too.

If it's the first character you level up on the server, it will be hassle at first because of the lack of gold. On early expansions, it's not uncommon for some classes to eat/drink every 2 fights, especially if you're undergeared. Once you start racking up a lot of gold, you can have your next level 1s start with big bags and a big stack of gold. At this point, it won't matter if your toon buys 1 or 100 stacks of food/drinks. I'd advise you start leveling with an easier class, like a hunter. If you're playing on TBC, I can provide you with a free fight class.

This. There is a problem with your setup. Provide us with some footage so we can help you sort it out.

Please don't. It's obviously not a very healthy conversation, but it's raising valid points all around and i'm interested in hearing them. If controversial threads are instantly hammered down, then that means there is no possible conversation.

I understand your frustration, although my experience hasn't been as bad as yours. It's underwhelming at first, but you can still have a decently running bot with some patience and elbow grease. If you die 10 times per hour on a low level char, then there might be something wrong other than the FC or profile. If you need help setting up your bot, feel free to shoot me a PM. I'm pretty new to wRobot but I was still able to fully level 2 chars. I now know what works and what doesn't and yes, sometimes you have to manually take over in order to bridge the gap or code your own stuff. It's just things that newcomers don't know before buying the product. There are flaws, a lack of documentation and there's pretty much no quality control over third-party elements. Things obviously break, deprecate update after update and are sometimes poorly maintained or straight up abandoned. Once you've made peace with it, you do with what you have because there's no alternative. Hopefully you can turn your frustration into lines of code to share with the community. That's what I do. Even if it's nothing big, even if it's not perfect, it slowly helps us all move forward. I believe a good overall solution would be a "pay-what-you-want" system which would reward reliable and competent sellers while at the same time releasing the customer service pressure off their shoulder, but that would mean a decrease of revenue for them, so that won't happen. What Matenia said right here is pretty telling. Everyone seems frustrated, from vendor to buyer. Incompetent buyers are infuriated because they put money into what they think is a magical out-of-the-box solution, only to be disappointed, competent buyers are angry because they're assumed to be incompetent, and sellers become tired and jaded of it all. There's toxicity within the community, and money has everything to do with it. That's just my 2 cents.

Honestly, I'm with you on that one. I remember back in the glider days, everything apart from Glider was free and the forum was full of surprisingly good profiles/FCs. I leveled a lot of characters on the retail server without much issues. Now I'm back to botting with wRobot and it's a whole different world. wRobot itself is a pretty impressive beast, but you have to put quite a bit of money in profiles/FCs/Plugins to have a somewhat decent botting experience and even then, there are glaring issues and lots of tweaking required. If you play an early expansion, almost nothing's free. I couldn't even find Fight Classes at all for my chars. I've resorted to creating my own (which I'll release soon). Also I don't like the "if you're not happy, try making a profile yourself and you'll see" argument. I know how insanely hard it is to make a quester profile, and I'm even ready to be a "beta tester", despite paying for a supposedly finished product. But please, just stop advertising your 1-X profile it as "THE ONLY TRUE 100% AFK PROFILE", cause it's never true, and be ready to fix the bugs that people report. It's really bad for the community growth when new wRobot users get baited into thinking the profiles do exactly what they advertise and feel robbed when they don't. On the bright side, wRobot is cheap and offers lots of options. It's just... the botting community is not much of a community anymore, it's mostly people trying to make money off of it, and some of them went too far. There are still cool people around trying to help for free and hopefully a few can lead by example. If you can code a bit, and if you enjoy botting, be one of them.

Yep. The more I dive into the bottom of the code, the more I realize I would indeed have to hack the original behavior pretty hard, which is not really my intention, mainly for maintenance reasons. I guess I'll leave it at that and focus on other things for now. Thanks again for your help.

Hah, pretty counter-intuitive, but smart ?. Unfortunately the problem is the same. The bot doesn't even seem to check if other states should be running and just keeps walking, even though my RadarFight state does indeed need to run (I'm checking in the log right on enemy detection).

I think it is linked to this piece of code in the NeedToRun() method of the ToTown state: if (!wManager.Wow.Helpers.Conditions.InGameAndConnectedAndAliveAndProductStartedNotInPause || wManager.Wow.Helpers.Conditions.IsAttackedAndCannotIgnore) { return false; } So I need to work my way around that. Anyway, I shot a message to Droidz. Thanks for your insight.

I've managed to add my own state properly and it's working well in normal traveling conditions, but during the ToTown state, even when the Radarfight state NeedToRun is True and has a higher priority than the ToTown state, it doesn't trigger (unless isAttacked gets triggered, then the ToTown state is halted, and the Radarfight state takes over, since it has a higher priority than isAttacked). How come the IsAttacked state forces the ToTown state to pause, but not my RadarFight state? I'm trying a lot of things, but so far, no dice. Any idea? To expand on this, it seems like during the ToTown state, the engine isn't even checking for other states, unless actually attacked. Is there a way to force a state check?

Lol. Sounds like a question that has been google translated, probably from an Asian language to English. Blood being HP. Blame being fight etc.. I'm not sure. @nishishenm Is your question about health regeneration between fights?

Following your advice, I have been playing a bit with the State idea, yesterday. Both the grinder example and the PartyHelper plugin have been of tremendous help. Thank you again, both of you. Although things are getting clearer, I have a few questions and instead of running in circles and slowly losing faith for a week, I'm gonna ask directly. FYI, I'm conducting all my tests using the Grinder engine, and occasionally the Automaton. When I start the bot; my character needs to go to Town and has enemies on its way. Here's my observation: It seems like 2 engines are running at the same time. Let's say engine1, which only has "NPCScanState" and which refreshes every 3 seconds or so. After I add my RadarFight state with a higher weight to it, while the ToTown state is running, on enemy detection, the RadarFight state triggers and the bot tries to attack the mob, but seems to be confused and wanting to go back to its ToTown state. Basically same problem as before. And engine2, which has all the other states (IsAttacked, Pause, ToTown, MovementLoop etc...). After I add the RadarFight to this one with a high weight, when the bot is on its way to town and detects an enemy to fight, the RadarFight state doesn't trigger at all. BUT, if I get attacked and the weight of RadarFight is higher than the weight of IsAttacked, the RadarFight state takes over and things works perfectly. Does that make sense to you? It seems like engine2 only checks for states to run when engine 1 is somehow interrupted. Any idea how to overcome this?

Hi guys, Although the radar works. Engaging in a clean radar fight is still quite a hassle and triggers a cascading amount of issues that I have to quick fix (blacklisting vendors and flightmasters, messing with running states...). I'm really looking to have a better, more reliable system. I have looked around in the forum and other places but I didn't find exactly what I wanted. So here's my question. Is it possible to add a State to the wRobot engine when the plugin initializes, and would it be a good idea? A whole new state that would be called RadarFight for example and that would have a very high priority. Does a state only run based on a set of conditions, or can you trigger one (Run(), or NeedToRun()) manually? Also what happens if two states have the same priority? I'm getting a bit desperate here, and I'm not sure if I can go any deeper than that. The lack of documentation is starting to be a real problem, so any help will be very much appreciated.