camelot10 155 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Seems like blizzard avoid/fear to scan hardware ids or ip. There are huge amount of proofs that each WoW instalation have unique ID, and if one account catched in botting (see algorythm below) others account used in same wow instalation in danger. This mean: all accounts who interact (trade, mails, guild banking, leveling) with catched account and have same WoW ID goes to ban with catched account. RULE #1: DIFFERENT WOW INSTALLATION FOR EACH ACCOUNT. IF ACCOUNT COMPROMISED REMOVE THAT WOW FOLDER AND INSTALL NEW FROM FRESH How they catch botting? 1. Client Side Detection. If bot doesnt have enought protection then wow/blizzard detect it. Nothing you can do about it. Account flagged, all linked account flagged too (see rule #1) 2. Server Side Detection Everyone should google about AI and heatmaps. Here brief example: youtube blizzard doesnt ban/catch/watch by ip or hardware id. when you have millions of users, you can get heatmaps of users interactions. and when some part of your userbase start acting like on alghorythm, and you can predict what and when they do and what they gonna do next. this is main problem with popular bots/profiles: 100 000 users go to X,Y get quest AA or gather node BB, then all of them go to X2,Y2 and get quest CC or node DD and so on. after few hours/days/weeks blizzard have heatmap algorythm. and if someone: even if that player login for 20min, but in this 20min that player do same steps/action that other botts do -> blizzard mark your character for banwave and all linked accounts (see rule #1). that why banwaves apprear once per 6-12 months. Its a gigantic job to calculcate bots heatmaps, its like a trump ace on your hands, you gonna rise till max and only then reveal it. RULE #2: AVOID PUBLIC GATHER/GRINDER PROFILES no public profiles -> even if someone posted good profile -> mimic it: download profile, run for 1 secs, make screenshot from radar, delete profile, make own profile according to screenshot. event that method i would't suggest. make all profiles by hands. its a 2-5min to make good route never make profiles with one lap (loop/circle): made something like olympic rings, 2-5 circles grinding only on "hotspots" - > no path Each time you got banned-> remove and forget profiles used RULE #3: RUN DIFFERENT TASKS/PROFILES especialy actual content. i mean do: reputations, daily, dungeons, timewalking, lfr, mythics, darkmoon. everything that breaks your farm heatmaps routine (grind/gather) TINFOIL HAT RULE: Differect PC/Virtual PC + IP/Provider/VPN that doesnt help much. but! BUT! PieDealer, Bronson, Seminko and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieDealer 1 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Blizzard Entertainment is very sloppy (intentionally?) when you decide to get rid of them. A common UN-install of WoW and even WoW + Battle.net app will produce interesting results such ass: 1. Left over folders. 2. Left over registries. 3. Left over systems ID. As a result you may have the awesome situation that when you try to re-intall Battle.net remembers where WoW was installed for instance. All these awesome things may result in instant bans, so either do it by hand or get a program to clean after UN-install. Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-26259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuqlol 2 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 no one knows how they exactly are trying to catch you ... there a hundreds if not thousand ways :D i mean ... im pretty sure they could check if "click to move" is enabled and other stuff. if they want to "destroy" antoher bot (lets say superbot XXX) they could easily do that ... sorry for bad english :D and ip/hardware ids (about hdwi im not sure) they will only (also not sure about this one) use it, against "special" botters or enemies ... like people back then with 300 bots etc. Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-26264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlhr 63 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 23 minutes ago, dafuqlol said: no one knows how they exactly are trying to catch you ... there a hundreds if not thousand ways :D i mean ... im pretty sure they could check if "click to move" is enabled and other stuff. if they want to "destroy" antoher bot (lets say superbot XXX) they could easily do that ... sorry for bad english :D and ip/hardware ids (about hdwi im not sure) they will only (also not sure about this one) use it, against "special" botters or enemies ... like people back then with 300 bots etc. 100% true and nuff said Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-26268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelot10 155 Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 i just write this tutorial from wrobot perspective. wrobot client side protection seems fine. only reason for bans right now, is server side detection. Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-26271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapiguy 56 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 18 minutes ago, camelot10 said: i just write this tutorial from wrobot perspective. wrobot client side protection seems fine. only reason for bans right now, is server side detection. I quit botting entirely four days ago, so far no bans... Prior to that, had at least 6 accounts botting nearly 24/7 until 2 weeks ago, then cut down to 1 account, which I ran 24/7 until 4 days ago... We'll see what the end result is Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-26274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelot10 155 Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 12 minutes ago, Hapiguy said: I quit botting entirely four days ago, so far no bans... Prior to that, had at least 6 accounts botting nearly 24/7 until 2 weeks ago, then cut down to 1 account, which I ran 24/7 until 4 days ago... We'll see what the end result is you can't just quit botting Hapiguy, ScripterQQ, eternalbot and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-26276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapiguy 56 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 4 hours ago, camelot10 said: you can't just quit botting Quit - until a little after the next real wave... then back to it!! :D Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-26285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazurengan 7 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Hapiguy said: Quit - until a little after the next real wave... then back to it!! :D yea but we cant preview a ban wave can we? Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-26288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapiguy 56 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, kazurengan said: yea but we cant preview a ban wave can we? Sure we can... we've all known one has been coming for weeks, if not months... Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-26289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlhr 63 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 54 minutes ago, Hapiguy said: Sure we can... we've all known one has been coming for weeks, if not months... exactly. blizzard has something like a schedule with their bans and IT IS time. Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-26290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapiguy 56 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 On 4/26/2017 at 3:42 PM, wlhr said: exactly. blizzard has something like a schedule with their bans and IT IS time. Still no massive wave yet... Blizzard is seriously slacking... Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-30208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avvi 98 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 I wrote a plugin that can help prevent against user reports. Please look here: Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-30426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapiguy 56 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Prepare your butts... Just saying... Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-32137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zack22 2 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Is using battleground bot ( with a personnal fightclass very undetectable by other player ) and gatherer during the queue is " safe " Because actually i do that around 7-8 hours per day and i think it's a bit risky if player report me :/ Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-32251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jechtshot 6 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Close to a year since I got struck by what I think was the last ban wave. I have a feeling one will come soon so I'll hold off for a bit. I had a thought though. As we can link Battlenet accounts as long as they share the same IRL name, I was thinking of creating a new one and bot on that account. I would get those grindy ass achievements and when I'm content I will connect the accounts and get the achievements on the main account. Following the safety steps by Camelot, IF that account was banned, my main account would be safe right? Assuming there hasn't been any interaction whatsoever between the two. Meaning, should the account be banned before I connect it with my main battlenet account, a ban on the dummy account shouldn't affect me? Would this be possible/a good idea? Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-32952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelot10 155 Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 i dont think wow accountwide achievements apply to whole battle net account, only to that account. but i never check that. also i dont think blizzard wait some special dates to ban someone. like "banwave october" or "anti-bot november" Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-32955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jechtshot 6 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 10 minutes ago, camelot10 said: i dont think wow accountwide achievements apply to whole battle net account, only to that account. but i never check that. also i dont think blizzard wait some special dates to ban someone. like "banwave october" or "anti-bot november" It does. I retrieved my old vanilla account that I sold in 2006 and I got some FoS by linking it to my battlenet account. Maybe an achievement too if I remember correctly. Oh isn't that a thing? Banwave october sounds like a gay ol' time. I'm not saying it's scheduled. But it almost feels like something they do semi-regularly just to keep us on our toes. Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-32956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapiguy 56 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 If you get Legion Flying, for example, it's b.net wide from my experience. I have 8 linked accounts on my main b.net and once I unlocked it, I was able to fly on the other accounts provided I had the other prerequisites like level, flying skill, etc. It's the same for collections, heirlooms, all of that stuff, so I don't know why FoS wouldn't... Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-32969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jechtshot 6 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Hmm.. I might try that actually.. Hopefully they won't retroactively ban me if they find out later lol Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-32975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalos72 4 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Does this heat map track across characters or just each character? For example is it an issue if I use the same profile to farm on 3 different toons, across the same bnet, on the same install? Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-33160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelot10 155 Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 noone knows Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-33161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thakane 7 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 How can i install WoW with different ID´s ? And where can i check, if it works ? D:\WorldofWarcraft#1\World of Warcraft\WTF\Account\NUMBER <--- This is the ID ? i hide the Number Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-35620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic1226 0 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 So how do I transfer gold from one account to another, if my main account will become linked? Should I do it through AH? Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-37143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapiguy 56 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 6 hours ago, sonic1226 said: So how do I transfer gold from one account to another, if my main account will become linked? Should I do it through AH? My first suggestion is always to use a guild bank. It's worked virtually flawlessly in the past for me... Link to comment https://wrobot.eu/forums/topic/5776-avoid-ban-or-minimize-risk/#findComment-37156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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