How does lights hope handle bans?

[twin 0]

Hi everyone,

New to the private server WoW botting scene, but i've been involved in the botting scene in one way or another for most of the major MMOs. I'm just curious on how lightshope handles bans for their server, if it's purely account based or if they'll ban every account on your IP. I have a main account that I've put a lot of time into(2 60s, one with pretty solid BWL and MC gear) that i'd much rather not get banned. I just want to bot two classes to 60(or attempt too anyways, unsure of the banrate) so I can test them at 60 to figure out what I want to eventually play for retail vanilla. 

Thank you!

 

Some things that seem to be trends about players getting banned:

So I'm reworking this section due to further tests. It seems lightshope has no way to track the online time of an account, because my friend has been running an account now for 48 hours and it received no ban. I had a warlock banned at level 33 but that is because it would constantly break in pvp, and run at someone with it's staff and try to summon the void walker on repeat. Very obviously a broken bot. I have had success with a priest in it's 40s and plan on stopping it. I'm going with a paladin now and plan on botting that to 55, so I will update this thread on the status of these accounts. It seems you will ONLY get banned if your bot breaks in an obvious way. My priest never had issues and it would get into PvP fights, along with grinding by people all the time. Either avoid PvP or make sure your bot looks somewhat human like when it's fighting back in PvP. This seems to be the absolute biggest issue. 

[twin 0]

13 hours ago, Mikemall said:

From what i've read, and ask people around in Lightshope servers, its a account banned and after 3 strikes your Ip will be perma banned.

(I do not know if this info is completely true.)

I would recommend using a vpn and another account and bot on it to find out fully.

Probably exactly what i'll end up doing! I would rather be safe than sorry because I've spent a lot of time on my legit account. Thanks for the reply!

[terpfiend 0]

From my experience, they will ban every active account on whatever IP they catch you botting on. In my case, I had three bots running on the same IP. They caught one, took him to GM island and instantly banned the other two as well. However, my main account that wasn't active at the time was safe. Now I run with a VPN (I use VPN Unlimited because im cheap)

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11 minutes ago, terpfiend said:

From my experience, they will ban every active account on whatever IP they catch you botting on. In my case, I had three bots running on the same IP. They caught one, took him to GM island and instantly banned the other two as well. However, my main account that wasn't active at the time was safe. Now I run with a VPN (I use VPN Unlimited because im cheap)

Any insight on how you got caught? I'm assuming running 3 accounts on the same IP for long hours every day probably didn't help. Currently about halfway to my level goal before I start going legit. I've been having some issues with the bot though so it's getting frustrating..

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23 hours ago, twin said:

Any insight on how you got caught? I'm assuming running 3 accounts on the same IP for long hours every day probably didn't help. Currently about halfway to my level goal before I start going legit. I've been having some issues with the bot though so it's getting frustrating..

I wish, I wasn't looking at my screen when it happened D: I was watching TV and all of a sudden out of the corner of my eye I saw all my instances of wow go to "disconnected". I'm assuming that my shaman was probably doing some stupid shit in STV while questing and got reported. I really wish I could have been there when they teleported me to GM island though. For some reason I had the setting to log off when teleported, so I'm sure they just instabanned every account on that IP once I disappeared. I definitely recommend turning that setting off if you want any chance at saving yourself lol. Some GM's will let you off with a warning if you just say sorry.

 

 

Edit: and yeah, I was running them waaaay too long. I was also overloading the AH. Now, I'm running four bots but one at a time, all on different IP's, and for only 4-6 hours max and then ill take a break from that one while I work on the others. I figure that makes it look more realistic. I have a separate bank account for each one so I don't put waaay too much on the AH, and try to space out my listings (like dont post 20 stacks of thick leather or something). So far I have a 49, 42, 38 and 29. Here's to getting to 60 lol!

 

Minding those things though and having a really good fightclass will do you a lot of good. Especially the fightclass. I also recommend checking out the Human Master Plugin, Random Jumper and Quester plugins because they help make you look more like a person.  However, it should be noted that Quester can be good and bad, because sometimes you'll have people trying to talk to you in party chat and get agitated that you don't reply. But I'd say more oftan than not, they are just trying to get the quest done too and don't care about you. If you don't use quester, look for the plugin that declines party invites, because otherwise you will be running around with an open invitation and that looks bottish, theyll expect you to either accept or decline. Can't remember the name of that one though. There are also two plugins that will either send you a push notification on your phone or post to a discord channel if anything happens to your bot, which is extremely useful. Finally, if you're using a quester profile that has any type of escort quest - DROP THAT SHIT! Escort quests are the most bottish thing I've seen so far. That's about all I can think of for now.

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2 hours ago, terpfiend said:

I wish, I wasn't looking at my screen when it happened D: I was watching TV and all of a sudden out of the corner of my eye I saw all my instances of wow go to "disconnected". I'm assuming that my shaman was probably doing some stupid shit in STV while questing and got reported. I really wish I could have been there when they teleported me to GM island though. For some reason I had the setting to log off when teleported, so I'm sure they just instabanned every account on that IP once I disappeared. I definitely recommend turning that setting off if you want any chance at saving yourself lol. Some GM's will let you off with a warning if you just say sorry.

Edit: and yeah, I was running them waaaay too long. I was also overloading the AH. Now, I'm running four bots but one at a time, all on different IP's, and for only 4-6 hours max and then ill take a break from that one while I work on the others. I figure that makes it look more realistic. I have a separate bank account for each one so I don't put waaay too much on the AH, and try to space out my listings (like dont post 20 stacks of thick leather or something). So far I have a 49, 42, 38 and 29. Here's to getting to 60 lol!

Minding those things though and having a really good fightclass will do you a lot of good. Especially the fightclass. I also recommend checking out the Human Master Plugin, Random Jumper and Quester plugins because they help make you look more like a person.  However, it should be noted that Quester can be good and bad, because sometimes you'll have people trying to talk to you in party chat and get agitated that you don't reply. But I'd say more oftan than not, they are just trying to get the quest done too and don't care about you. If you don't use quester, look for the plugin that declines party invites, because otherwise you will be running around with an open invitation and that looks bottish, theyll expect you to either accept or decline. Can't remember the name of that one though. There are also two plugins that will either send you a push notification on your phone or post to a discord channel if anything happens to your bot, which is extremely useful. Finally, if you're using a quester profile that has any type of escort quest - DROP THAT SHIT! Escort quests are the most bottish thing I've seen so far. That's about all I can think of for now.

I take it that you're botting for profit rather than for personal use then? Since you have what seems to be a pretty decent sized operation going on. I've been botting anywhere from 8-12 hours a day but I think my hours are somewhat human like. I'll let the bot run for a few hours while I'm in class, and then it will break while I'm at work, and then I'll run it again when I get home. I'm also only running one account, and I pay pretty close attention to it. I'll always throw a buff on people and ask for one in return. The only thing that looks bottish is the movement tbh, since it's kind of jerky.

Would you say the Human Master plugin is worth the 15 euros? I have a paid farming profile and have yet to see anyone on the same path so far..so here's for hoping that no one really uses it on LH. I'm also just purely grinding on non quest mobs, as I figure that's about as lowkey as it's going to get.

I have a friend suicide botting currently, and he said he's going to attempt to run it 24/7 until he gets to 60 so i'll update you on his progress/how long it takes him to get banned because that might get some useful information into what flags it other than player reports.

Edit: I probably will end up making my own plugins now that I see it's pretty easy to do so...I worked on a runescape botting client for a few years so I have experience with writing bots in general. I'm going to have to play around with the API, and if I come up with anything useful i'll post it. It looks like this site could use more free vanilla content. I don't know if I have the time right now to write something as indepth as the Human plugin, but I think a suite of denying party invites, buffing nearby players, and jumping periodically are something that I would be able to do.

[Marsbar 228]

My 2 cents from botting on LH/old elysium -

It gets a bit more dicey after 40. I've been running bots to around 40 and handing them out to my mates and we can then level up the last bit manually. It gets you used to the class and you can farm out professions if wanted. Not to mention getting to 40 is actually quite quick. It all depends on what you want to get out of it. I've had around 5 accounts banned all between 35-45 and not really gotten further than that (i only ever really bot 1 account and not often) but have gotten another 5 accounts to 40 and are all being used manually now.

In regards to plugins - there's a plethora of free plugins that will be enough for what you need. From the things you mentioned denying party invites exits "Auto Decline" (make sure to edit the cs file like it says in the description, i originally set the timer too high), buffing players would be part of the fight class rather than a plugin as you would need to record all the possible buffs in the plugin which wouldn't be great and jumping periodically i thought was part of the product already! On certain classes (most to be honest) one of the most important plugins is for it to buy food/water. The Human master plugin has that and a lot of other things but the author of that also has a free version of food/drink buying.

As @terpfiend mentioned the fightclass is where it's at. I have to say that's also the most fun to build yourself (if you have some c# knowledge). Have a look at @Matenia's vanilla framework, there is an example fightclass there which you can edit. He's created some great methods in there which handle some of vanillas problems.

Alert plugins help a lot too if you're not always monitoring the bot yourself, I created wDiscordAlert which you can have a look at, I'm happy to add any suggestions you may have!

[ch267310 1]

My friend`s several accounts are banned on that server this early morning. The most problems are not from WROBOT, its him who got too greedy. My account also got banned, since we are living in the same house, sharing the same IP......

GM teleported me and my friend`s 3 characters(his characters are fish botting and grinding, and he is sleeping at that time!!!) to that room and ask if any of you are botting...

I denied but GM are quite sure Im also involved in that(well, i confess that I also used grinding function for lvl 24-26...)...so, he just banned 4 accounts (1 from me and 3 from my friend).  Now I want to beat him.......

 

Some tips:

1. NEVER NEVER bot on your main acc, only do that on your botting acc

2. don't suicide botting, like more than 3 hors non-stop grinding/automation/fishing. (I suggest using the schedule function, and do something like grinding 1h - log off 1 hour - grinding 1h - etc...to make it more like human.) and less chance to get reported.

3. As far as I know, the ban is mostly from report, the lights hope GM seems don't have the detective softwares. So the best way to avoid being banned is to stay low.

4. Don't bot on the same IP address. for example, bot 1 on IP 1 and bot 2 on IP 2. They are able to dig out all your ACTIVE accounts on the same IP and BAN THEM!

5. when you are botting, don't log on your main account if on the same IP.

6. Don't be too greedy, otherwise, you may lose your main acc.

 

so, all in all. good luck on botting at lights hope. Its risky but still feasible if you are cautious enough.

 

BTW, TAQ on that server is going to be released today, meanwhile, the population is dropping quite fast, especially in the new comers, so, it may become a little easier to bot/grinding, but you still have to stay sharp...

[twin 0]

12 hours ago, ch267310 said:

My friend`s several accounts are banned on that server this early morning. The most problems are not from WROBOT, its him who got too greedy. My account also got banned, since we are living in the same house, sharing the same IP......

GM teleported me and my friend`s 3 characters(his characters are fish botting and grinding, and he is sleeping at that time!!!) to that room and ask if any of you are botting...

I denied but GM are quite sure Im also involved in that(well, i confess that I also used grinding function for lvl 24-26...)...so, he just banned 4 accounts (1 from me and 3 from my friend).  Now I want to beat him.......

 

Some tips:

1. NEVER NEVER bot on your main acc, only do that on your botting acc

2. don't suicide botting, like more than 3 hors non-stop grinding/automation/fishing. (I suggest using the schedule function, and do something like grinding 1h - log off 1 hour - grinding 1h - etc...to make it more like human.) and less chance to get reported.

3. As far as I know, the ban is mostly from report, the lights hope GM seems don't have the detective softwares. So the best way to avoid being banned is to stay low.

4. Don't bot on the same IP address. for example, bot 1 on IP 1 and bot 2 on IP 2. They are able to dig out all your ACTIVE accounts on the same IP and BAN THEM!

5. when you are botting, don't log on your main account if on the same IP.

6. Don't be too greedy, otherwise, you may lose your main acc.

 

so, all in all. good luck on botting at lights hope. Its risky but still feasible if you are cautious enough.

 

BTW, TAQ on that server is going to be released today, meanwhile, the population is dropping quite fast, especially in the new comers, so, it may become a little easier to bot/grinding, but you still have to stay sharp...

What level were the accounts banned? I monitor my bot whenever I'm botting, so if I were to get TPed and asked that question I would be able to reply right away.  I've found the best hours to bot are around 3pm central to 12am central. I'm also using a VPN so I'm not too worried about my main being hit off :) but I guess it is possible. I'm also running only 1 account which probably makes it look a lot less suspicious rather than 4 on 1 ip.

[ch267310 1]

3 hours ago, twin said:

What level were the accounts banned? I monitor my bot whenever I'm botting, so if I were to get TPed and asked that question I would be able to reply right away.  I've found the best hours to bot are around 3pm central to 12am central. I'm also using a VPN so I'm not too worried about my main being hit off :) but I guess it is possible. I'm also running only 1 account which probably makes it look a lot less suspicious rather than 4 on 1 ip.

well, mine is 27, my friend`s are 37, 20, and 18.

My friend should have click off the logoff if teleported...

as for the best botting time, i agree with that...the population is low during that time,  we were banned at around 7 am (CENTRAL EUROPE TIME ZONE, UTC+1)... 

The problem for me and my friend is that the best botting time is like starting from 1 AM ...haha 

[terpfiend 0]

18 hours ago, ch267310 said:

well, mine is 27, my friend`s are 37, 20, and 18.

My friend should have click off the logoff if teleported...

as for the best botting time, i agree with that...the population is low during that time,  we were banned at around 7 am (CENTRAL EUROPE TIME ZONE, UTC+1)... 

The problem for me and my friend is that the best botting time is like starting from 1 AM ...haha 

For what it's worth, the log off if teleported function doesn't help. If anything, it only hurts you because maybe you could have replied in time. I had that checked when my bots were banned and actually might have been able to stop it (I was literally in the other room -___-), but they just instantly banned the account after it logged off. They have all that information well before TPing you to gm island so its not like you're avoiding them or anything

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12 hours ago, terpfiend said:

For what it's worth, the log off if teleported function doesn't help. If anything, it only hurts you because maybe you could have replied in time. I had that checked when my bots were banned and actually might have been able to stop it (I was literally in the other room -___-), but they just instantly banned the account after it logged off. They have all that information well before TPing you to gm island so its not like you're avoiding them or anything

Yeah I turned that feature off ASAP. If you get pulled to GM island as you're watching you're bot you can drop the whole "I have no idea what you're doing or why I'm here". A sidenote from my buddy who's been running this game 20+ hours a day. Still no ban and hes nearing level 40.

[FNV316 65]

It's worth nevertheless to have "close if teleported" on. Sure, if a GM is already confident that he has chatched a bot and teleports it to GM island, you are going to get banned for sure. Still better to just close the bot, than running around in this room like a headless chicken. You could be around, log on again and try to talk your way out, even if the chances are pretty small. Sometimes they just teleport characters a few yards, to see your bots reaction. Even if it may look fishy to just log off, the odds of getting banned are higher if there is no reaction at all. Disconnects / crashes can happen from time to time. I don't see any benefits, if the bot just continues.

[twin 0]

Update on my friend botting 24 hours: He got DCed at level 41 in Swamp of Sorrows with no port to GM island and no explanation on why he was banned. He was also not using WRobot.  I made it to 43 and I'm just going to stick here for now and level up another character going for 60. I'll update with the progress of that one occasionally. 

 

Edit: Turns out he was banned for RWT and not botting. He messaged the admins and they didn't say anything about botting. I guess he 'bought' 100 gold(he sent it from his main account) and they banned the fresh account thinking it was a RWT.

[ch267310 1]

I know fishing bot is a very good way to make gold.

But, be careful now, they are really cracking that down.

 

I guess their main measures are:

1. monitor the status of all the low-lvl players at Felas/tanaris/Azara, since they are all the farming locations of stone scale eel. (like players of lvl 20-30)

2. monitor the mail/trade made by the low level fishing botters in above areas, and they will probably ban the beneficials brutally, along the whole chain.

3. The GMs seems work really passionate during weekend about watching ppl and banning as well.

 

My suggestion for now about fishing bot.

aside from the regular cautions, you need:

1. reduce the hours of your fishing bot, like 2-3 hours per day per account maximal and don't fishing bot during weekend, try rotate all your characters/accounts.

2. try to raise those fishing bots lvl to around 40 if you want to bot fishing safely at FELAS or tanaris, otherwise its still quite suspicious.

3. each bot on different IP, trust me, they now just ban all the players at the same IP without hesitate.

4. Every time, when you trade the fish to your main characters, make it small volume with something trade back (make it looks like real trade, I suggest using something without stock value)

5. you need babysitting your fishing bot a little bit. I heard GM just teleport ppl several yard away to test quite frequently. and several of my friends were banned since they did not react "surprisingly" quick enough, btw, they are unbanned now (they were not using fishing bot at all, just too surprised to react anything)

Thats all, my 2 cents