youthemannowdog

im running a plugin that auto buys vender gear at same level if it drops below two levels.
regen is at 100% because i couldnt find any other way to not have 15 deaths per hour minimum.
you dont have to call me out because you're getting upsetti that you're stuff isn't making a pleasant leveling experience.
manually interefere? I have my wrobot latency down to nothing and if I interfere I kill the vulture with 60% HP left but if your fightclass and humanizer plugin fights it runs at 15% HP and gets picked off because it clicked to move in a zig zag pattern for WHATEVER FUCKING REASON.
 
again - why did glider community made profiles lead me to less deaths? i had no real issues back in the day downloading random free profiles but paying $55 here gets me 10 deaths per hour fully kitted with downloads and settings fully tweaked for max survivability yet i'm still dying 6 times in a row to a same level vulture in westfall. I literally turned off the bot yesterday and just called it off. It's not working.
 
and PS that bot level bullshit doesnt exist with a good bot - with honorbuddy everyone was the same thing. the bot was so good it couldnt be detected until blizzard ripped the source code. I'd be "level 2" if I didnt have to basically pay for shit and then add hundreds of line of code. I pay for finished product not tested by 10 friends in discord one week projects.
 
if all these "sellers" could just list their products as unfinished, barely tested, requires regular "manual interference", is not afk, grinds 5 levels and then picks up 2 quests to save on code, clicks sinister strike like .8 seconds after i have the energy for it, and runs away dying from NPCs in a zigzag no sprint guaranteeing death, then great! Then there would finally be no false advertising 

Yeah man - as a former creator for Glider profiles it really is a challenge and I get that. I just rarely if ever saw people put out work that was anywhere near as low of quality. For every 20 payed profiles/plugins/etc there are 1 that are listed as advertised and yet even then everything moves exactly like a runescape bot.

I just put in like almost $50 FOR ONE CHARACTER (A human rogue) just to see how far it can get. I can tell you that after a half hour of tinkering and restarting Wrobot things usually start and I've got it from 10 deaths an hour to 1 or 2. After that it's mindless illogical half grinding half questing sometimes dying sometimes afk'ing. Honorbuddy would level me at least 4x as fast and any average rated Glider profile would be 2x as fast

You NEVER got that low of quality with anything near HB or Glider community profiles. By 6 months in most glider profiles were VERY solid and it almost became hard to compete as a creator. Here it feels like "hard work" was a full weekend of redbull and tweaking 4 lines of code after someone got banned from an untested/unfinished "really afk" profile.

Like I'm running Humanizer/afk plugin ($25), a payed for combat rogue plugin($10), and Truly afk 1-70 ($10) and jesus christ I genuinly have to have my eyeballs glued to the screen wondering WTF is going on with this idiot bot every 5 minutes? Like you've got 5 quests to turn in but your vanishing off of level 8 mobs when you're level 11? It's disgraceful. And I don't mean to hate on creator content - I just hate paying A LOT OF MONEY compared to what was available in the past for an exponentially more buggy and inefficient system.
 
It's also REALLY dissapointing to have creators require order ID's on their plugins that confine you to however many IPS THEY want you to use or however many accounts open THEY want to charge you for. You cant just pay for 3 sessions on Wrobot and start. You have to pay for a fightingclass for each character ($5-10 each), a Plugin to make them at least function in combat ($15+) and then hope to god that there is a semi decent leveling profile in your expansion (rare and $5+). Then after you pay all that money you realize that the plugin only gives you one IP so if your bot gets IP banned you lose your $25. Then your Quester requires you to pay for more IPS.. Then you're out $55. It's shady, its bad for business, and you folks rope people in with bot promises and then microtransaction them with all this shit tier coding.

@Droidz As soon as I have the time, I will be adding all my fightclasses without in-game interface for free. You can add them to the default download by then. ?

Hello,
I replied to private message of @youthemannowdog, I'll now reply to the public post.
I cannot dispute that Honorbuddy was a good with a lot of contents, but you have bad memories about Glider, this bot was very basic (watch videos on Youtube). Only Honorbuddy (and maybe Rebot) can compete with WRobot. About price, you have bad memory too: https://web.archive.org/web/20170929193659/https://www.honorbuddy.com/  and WRobot itself was already been at 30 € the lifetime subscription for retail (prices change over time). 
There is a trial version to test WRobot, with access to all files, all forum messages, I do not censor anything (the proof with this post), I cannot be more honest. For normal use (1 session), WRobot is 1.90 € per month, it is correct as price (of course, I can understand that in certain countries or for certain persons this price is high).
You also need to remember that you buy a bot, it's for people who like to hack, I try to make it easy to use for all but it's still a type of software for advanced users who likes to tweak, I don't sell a game or family application. Moreover, to reproduce a human behavior is very complicated, big company with big budget does not do much better with total access to the game (look at the result on certain game).
I understand that it lacks free contents, it is a real problem, believe me I tried many times to find people (that I would have paid) to work on it and I never found one (I never really play Wow, if I create the content myself it would not be great, and I prefer to work on the bot itself). After some research of creator that lead nowhere, I decided to allow paid content, and since many profiles / fightclasses has been released (paid files, but these files would not exist otherwise).
About the quality of paid files it's complicated, I check all files but I can not test everything, you have the rating system to say what you think of the files. About the prices I tried to maintain correct price, but what can be expensive for someone can be correct price for another, it's complicated too. It takes me time to manage paid files, and I do not touch any commission (except sell subscription which is free for elite users). In summary, if I accepted that users can sell files is for you, without that these profiles / plugins / fightclasses would not even exist.
About WRobot he is stable, and his API is enough complete and stable (and missing API can be added with lua or C# code), the mesh is not perfect but he works in most areas. Some developers create good dungeon profiles (and have created profiles for complex quest zones, especially when WRobot supported the official servers, I already tested demon hunter start zone profile and he works very fine, look videos in Youtube it is not easy zone to bot). The problem is that in some cases it is must to adapt profile to WRobot, if WRobot badly works in an area it must be avoided the zone, some creator still uses the area and says that it is the fault of WRobot instead than finding an alternative area (of course, in some case you cannot avoid zone and if WRobot have problem it can be complicated).
In recent times I have used WRobot a lot to test reported detections on several servers (with an old Eeny profile and a simple XML fightclass, no plugin). I left it running ~ 10 hours per day and I had no crashes, blockages or problems. I manually control characters 1 or 2 times per day to equip and resell the green/blue items looted. Some users manage more than 100 bot, with good profile and good settings you can do almost what you want.
Of course, I understand what you said, if developers have problems with WRobot they do not hesitate to create bug reports, I do not respond quickly but I usually finish by answering and correct it if I find it necessary (and that I can).
I will try to deliver more free content with the bot (in priority the fightclasses for all classes and grinder / gatherer profiles), if someone wants help me that he does not hesitate to contact me.
 
(sorry for my English not always correct)

It's hard to put in that much work on a broken platform and not defend your broken work.
Most people are far too prideful.

On a side note - does anyone know how I can tell Wrobot not to get stuck trying to pick up a quest starting beacon? anytime im on a grind profile and my bot picks up those quest starting beacon items the next time it tries to pick one up it just sits there for hours trying to force pick it up. Shit's dumb as fuck.
not false advertising and making a good product to which good programmers can produce good content for is important to me as a customer.

I've stated in many forms with video evidence why the "best" programmers here can't make a system for me that replicates even a fragment of what Glider or Honorbuddy was.

That should be pretty obvious. I dont give a shit that you made your own profile. I don't give a shit that you've spent 3 years with Wrobot tinkering and perfecting. That's not what is advertised as required to bot with this Wrobot client and is certaintly not what developers here advertise. That's a shameful system. 

For example leveling a mage with Matenias fight class and plugin combined with Bambos leveling guide I get stuck and require manual intervention at least once every 2-4 hours. I die at least 3 times an hour after tens of hours of figuring out settings changes. I have paid $70+ for "truly afk, 300+++ quests, creates a truly humanlike experience" ETC ETC ETC and have not recieved honestly any of that. The bot still is absolutely fucking obvious to anyone who watches me for more than 30 seconds and I can easily spot out all the tens of other players and can say exactly who made their fight class after 30 seconds. The amount of rediculous WRobot client bugs that prevent the grinder guides from working fluidly is ridiculous.

The point was I bought honorbuddy $60 ONE TIME lifetime payment, installed it, loaded up a grinding profile and left my character grinding from start to finish tens of times. Never even had a thought to look back at it. I only opened my WoW screen to see how much progress it had made. Wrobot looks like a toddler in comparison with the BEST available content.
 
Glider and Honorbuddy didnt stop working on retail - they stopped because of lawsuits. WRobot couldnt even work well enough to stay on retail to ever even get sued. Wrobot got sent back a couple of grades for not even being able to hang out with the grown up bots.

I dont think you or any developers understand the point of this thread lol 

Doesnt make up for the fact that all these ape fucking profile creator state that their profiles are 99 or 100% afk. No matter how you put it, they are lying about their profiles and Droidz is supporting it by letting them continue selling it. People need to stop saying "If you don't like it, make your own". Thats not the fucking point. The point is that people are charging ridiculous money for bullshit profiles with trash quality. "Just dont buy it if you dont like it". Too bad most of these ape creators wont refund after purchasing, kek. People here are lazy cunts because they can get away with it, that's it. Can't make a 99% afk quester? Then dont advertise for one. 

Every payed option here is maybe 5% of what glider or honorbuddy offered.
They arent even worth a cent if they say Truly AFK or REALLY SERIOUSLY AFK when they get stuck asking for a quest from an NPC with a grey ! above his head, or dying running into the middle of a field of 4 level higher npcs, etc.

How can this site allow the sale of absolutely shit tier garbage services? I'm fraud refunding every profile that isn't truly afk from 1-whatever it advertises. I don't want to have to edit a profile you claimed was finished.

im running a plugin that auto buys vender gear at same level if it drops below two levels.
regen is at 100% because i couldnt find any other way to not have 15 deaths per hour minimum.
you dont have to call me out because you're getting upsetti that you're stuff isn't making a pleasant leveling experience.
manually interefere? I have my wrobot latency down to nothing and if I interfere I kill the vulture with 60% HP left but if your fightclass and humanizer plugin fights it runs at 15% HP and gets picked off because it clicked to move in a zig zag pattern for WHATEVER FUCKING REASON.
 
again - why did glider community made profiles lead me to less deaths? i had no real issues back in the day downloading random free profiles but paying $55 here gets me 10 deaths per hour fully kitted with downloads and settings fully tweaked for max survivability yet i'm still dying 6 times in a row to a same level vulture in westfall. I literally turned off the bot yesterday and just called it off. It's not working.
 
and PS that bot level bullshit doesnt exist with a good bot - with honorbuddy everyone was the same thing. the bot was so good it couldnt be detected until blizzard ripped the source code. I'd be "level 2" if I didnt have to basically pay for shit and then add hundreds of line of code. I pay for finished product not tested by 10 friends in discord one week projects.
 
if all these "sellers" could just list their products as unfinished, barely tested, requires regular "manual interference", is not afk, grinds 5 levels and then picks up 2 quests to save on code, clicks sinister strike like .8 seconds after i have the energy for it, and runs away dying from NPCs in a zigzag no sprint guaranteeing death, then great! Then there would finally be no false advertising 

It's not about conflict - it's about hoping people step up their quality.

It's dissapointing for hundreds of new users coming in and finding a bot that microtransactioned like a phone and just like phone apps the overall quality is extremely subpar.

And this is directly comparing to the exact same system Glider had, for example. Glider was a bot that people sold profiles for. Why did those look so much less like bots? Why did they do so much more in one profile than a plugin, a fightclass, and a profile can do in WRobot community?
 
I know nothing can come out of this - it was just to voice general frustration coming from a developers point of view - the quality and pricing matchup here is not as advertised. It's mostly highschool weekend coding with an iffy client that very clearly gets a lot of people banned in private servers. All the while everything is listed as AFK QUESTING BOT or FULLY FUNCTIONAL FIGHTCLASS when it doesn't do anything as advertised, only lets you do it on one IP, and gives you a limited amount of downloads. I'm over here testing the BEST 3 "questing" + grinding bots for alliance 1-60/70 in TBC and there's 15 other people next to me running the same paths, doing the same fightclasses, it's all copy pasted lines of code and minimal effort. I'm "questing" one level out of 5 on every top level most downloaded profile.

We've done better than this in the past and it's dissapointing to see where the botting community has gone. 
 
The only thing I've found here that would even raise an eyebrow linking in a Resume is Matenia's work so far.

I write C++, C, Java, HTML CSS, LUA, and Python.

WRobot calls them Plugins, Profiles, Fightclasses, etc.

If you spend 40 hours (and i'll bet you money that 75% of the things sold on here went nowhere near 40 hours) on something and sell 80 copies of a $10 dollar "plugin" that's $800 which equates to $20 an hour worth of work.

If you spent 40 hours 3 years ago on a profile and then continued to sell it at $10 per pop per SINGLE IP address - and then you've sold 200 copies that's $2,000 for which you made $50 an hour on something you half assed 3 years ago.

That's money. And in most states in the USA that's decent money. For something that's 1/5th the quality people charged the same in under Glider.
I think it's a lack of dedication. 40 hours for people here seems to be 10 hours for the people who made profiles when Glider was around. You can spend 100 hours on something and it's still shit and that doesnt give you the right to be upset that someone calls it shit despite you spending a ridiculous amount of time on it.
 
compound that with you selling a 1-60 and then just adding a 60-70 separate payment instead of making a TBC specific 1-70 profile looks lazy. It wouldnt take much to combine them and it will improve the quality and feel of the product but things like that aren't considered here. It's about professionalism and quality. You spend a month making 12 half assed $10 each profile/plugin/fightclasses and you're making decent money while people get banned regularly in the servers.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/br39ib5dhcmpbe3/AAB6_afjSCin2G4NJk_Whojba?dl=0
all the logs for the past 4 days yo
have fun
 
also twitch.tv/calmaveragewhiteguy if you want to watch her die live
 
With the logs posted and the video evidence and my opinions made very clear I will no longer post about this subject. I have videos of my rogue dying for other bizarre reasons mostly related to pathing and a hunter struggling to make ends meet as well. If someone wants to message me directly about their opinions, favorite colors, or whatever else your heart desires relating to my freshman experience with this bot please let me know.

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If the mob is blacklisted then why does it keep pathing directly into it trying to attack the target standing 5 feet next to it?
 
you got a lot of excuses Matenia but not a lot of answers that aren't insults
The calmwhiteguy thing is an inside joke because on steam my name is Calmwhiteguy and my in game profile picture is this
  which in america is a key and peele sketch where key is Obamas anger translator. It's comedy. You know jokes?
 

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well at least I didnt say it I guess
(but you're absolutely right)
 
But hey - this is what it looks like when you tell a developer on WRobot that their stuff isn't as good as they think it is and is only popular because nobody else competes
they'll passive aggressively tell you that you're a basic american racist through a fucking coupon  while at the same time trying to tell you that everyone elses fightclasses that you're beta testing are shit.

 
Calling me a basic american racist while your content does this
 

I mean no disrespect for this but i gotta say it.
stop FUCKING bitching, i mean there is no info on this thread post that is helping anyone, if people dont like the bot? Guess what do it by hand. This is a way to fix lower time with leveling but i see no one stepping up to the plate other then DEVS to do shit about it. Yes grinders are COMPLETE crap because the ban rate is high but if you are gonna bitch about it, make you're self you're own "quester profile." you're self, this thread has become a bitching dick contest and it find it retarded. Can people just be happy with what they got instead of bitching about what they want!
Yes the the Wrobot commuity has gotten smaller to the point people dont give but EVERYONE wanna take. @Droidz Has A REAL LIFE and GIVEN people the TOOLS TO MAKE THERE OWN SHIT without NEEDING HIM. 
 
@Matenia IS one of the Most Nice, Respectable, HELPING Devs out there, when i have a problem or need help with something he takes his time to give some advice even tho my questions seem silly to him, HE STILL takes the time to respect me and give advice. Hes kinda like a mentor To me , and to Everyone WHO ask him for advice or help. so please do not bash him. He given a lot of free products away to help people who do not have money or wanna test. He supports almost all projects with quester by giving a free copy of HMP or fightclasses to help DEV make there product. I gotta give him mad respect. HES awesome !

Shittttt ? fucking made me laugh hard.

well at least I didnt say it I guess
(but you're absolutely right)
 
But hey - this is what it looks like when you tell a developer on WRobot that their stuff isn't as good as they think it is and is only popular because nobody else competes
they'll passive aggressively tell you that you're a basic american racist through a fucking coupon  while at the same time trying to tell you that everyone elses fightclasses that you're beta testing are shit.

 
Calling me a basic american racist while your content does this
 

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No, you are wrong. Some of them are complete fucking idiots. Not giving a single fuck and just pumping out shit quality quest scripting and also horrible grind spots with 5000 mobs stacked on top of each other. Its completely their own fault. Take a look at andoidos stream when he is making his profiles. Not a single fuck is given when it comes to how well a character will be able to handle the quests, he just puts in the spots for where the quest items/mobs are, with no regard whatsoever if the bot can handle that many mobs. I doubt that this is a bot issue,  but rather a problem with profiles not being controlled properly. Profiles on Honorbuddy's paid profile section were tested properly and were only allowed if they were well scripted. I hope for the love of god the rules change for what kind of profiles are allowed to be up for sale on here.

the video shows just exactly what is wrong with the bot without exaggerating anything. I agree with everything in it especially spending $100 and still not being able to trust it... 
just why I in the first place quit the botting scene and wow overall
Sure this isn't honorbuddy and never will be but does everything have to be so goddamn expensive

The point is that WRobot is a fraction of what honorbuddy and glider was and the content people here make for it dont fix it or even come close and a new person will pay substantially MORE than they did with Glider and Honorbuddy for significantly less quality overall in botting experience.

So you pay for all this stuff hoping eventually you'll have a practical bot that you can leave alone and not have 10+ deaths per hour on but you cant. That's misleading.

When Honorbuddy and Glider said you could bot afk without looking they were right. You could do that. And you could do it cheaper for YEARS before it took Blizzard stealing the source code for the bots (Honorbuddy) or sueing for YEARS to win (Glider and kinda honorbuddy). The bots could do dungeons, they could do questing from 1-whatever, they could do duels, etc. There isn't a single dungeon/BG/Arena/questing full without constant issues profile for 1-70 AT LEAST and that's because there's no confidence and the documentation/client itself doesn't allow for it. 

You cant bot with glider and honorbuddy because they dont exist. They never cared about shitty private servers because they wanted the big fish - retail. WRobot barely hung onto retail and cant even hang with private servers because none of it works without DIYing the entire thing yourself after finding that $70 worth of shit doesnt work.

Why? This is literally a click to move bot based on meshes, fight classes, and plugins to create a humanlike experience.
In vanilla you didnt have instancing, instancing based on quests, instancing based on quest progression, LFR/LFR/LFG, etc.
It's only harder because you have less chance to fail as a coder before the customers character that they're botting will die. The only thing that changed was the game became easier - that only made lazy bot profile makers jobs easier. 
Honorbuddy did it, Glider did it, and they charged substantially less for the entire experience. The content creaters created better content, they did it for cheaper, and they did it for longer. There is a reason both services were so successful while WRobot relies on like 10 people to create (and charge whatever they want) for whatever content they decide to make.

I'll say this a thousand times. You can spend 1,000 hours on something and it's not very good. You can create something that took 1,000 hours, cry about how long it took and how much you should charge - until other people come in and then charge half the price and created something 5x better in 40 hours. That's not the customers fault you took so long to make something so unusable without "manual intervention" as Matenia would say every 5 minutes.
 
Here it is - quick and dirty. 
After watching this video tell me this.
If you create profiles/plugins/fightclasses for WRobot will you take the blame? My experience in Redridge has been the same on my level 40 hunter and my level 15 frost mage. Which is garbage. Are you telling me that if you put 1,000 hours into a fight class, plugin, and profile leveling me from 1-60 that I wouldnt, if ever, die for silly reasons or be OBVIOUSLY detected visually by everyone around me? No? Well then are you willing to say that the client is to blame? Do you need better documentation to help you code a better experience for your customers? No? The client is perfect? You are perfect? Then why cant I BG right now in retail with your profile in the classic relaunch here in a few weeks? Why cant I WRobot in retail? Because the content is based on an imperfect client creating imperfect plugins/fightclasses/profiles.

Just be logical.

Why? This is literally a click to move bot based on meshes, fight classes, and plugins to create a humanlike experience.
In vanilla you didnt have instancing, instancing based on quests, instancing based on quest progression, LFR/LFR/LFG, etc.
It's only harder because you have less chance to fail as a coder before the customers character that they're botting will die. The only thing that changed was the game became easier - that only made lazy bot profile makers jobs easier. 
Honorbuddy did it, Glider did it, and they charged substantially less for the entire experience. The content creaters created better content, they did it for cheaper, and they did it for longer. There is a reason both services were so successful while WRobot relies on like 10 people to create (and charge whatever they want) for whatever content they decide to make.

I'll say this a thousand times. You can spend 1,000 hours on something and it's not very good. You can create something that took 1,000 hours, cry about how long it took and how much you should charge - until other people come in and then charge half the price and created something 5x better in 40 hours. That's not the customers fault you took so long to make something so unusable without "manual intervention" as Matenia would say every 5 minutes.
 
Here it is - quick and dirty. 
After watching this video tell me this.
If you create profiles/plugins/fightclasses for WRobot will you take the blame? My experience in Redridge has been the same on my level 40 hunter and my level 15 frost mage. Which is garbage. Are you telling me that if you put 1,000 hours into a fight class, plugin, and profile leveling me from 1-60 that I wouldnt, if ever, die for silly reasons or be OBVIOUSLY detected visually by everyone around me? No? Well then are you willing to say that the client is to blame? Do you need better documentation to help you code a better experience for your customers? No? The client is perfect? You are perfect? Then why cant I BG right now in retail with your profile in the classic relaunch here in a few weeks? Why cant I WRobot in retail? Because the content is based on an imperfect client creating imperfect plugins/fightclasses/profiles.

Just be logical.